Friday, June 06, 2008

Cheap? Oh I think so.

So you would be 'insane' to read the Lisbon Treaty according to Irish Commissioner Charlie MacCreevy. But if you vote yes, well put it this way it appears that your assets will increase...

Given that according to the Irish Times poll,

A clear majority of Fine Gael voters are now against the treaty - by 40 per cent to 30 per cent.

the Irish are not as susceptible to suggestion as their elite hope. (Via Brussels Journal).


Anonymous said...

The Yes side have absolutely nothing to say - it's rhetoric all the way (and a dosh of lies too).

And since the No side is all about details, with nothing to say the Yes call them liars.

That is why the No side hold debates and conferences, while the Yes side hold spectacles and la-la shows.

Will the Irish fall for this?

Central Scrutiniser said...

The truth is that nobody knows how the Court of Justice will interpret the Lisbon Treaty.

The impact of Lisbon on the constitution of Ireland is unknown - that's all you can say for certain.

Irish neutrality in defence matters, for example, can't be guaranteed by anyone at this stage. Ireland may be obliged to contribute to EU defence infrastructure and it won't be quite the same as UN peace-keeping missions.

I wonder how many English soldiers would feel comfortable taking orders from an Irish general. True, such an arrangement has worked well in the past but the respective military traditions have evolved somewhat since 1815!

Gawain Towler AKA Elaib Harvey said...

CS, if you recall Wellington did not regard himself as Irish,
"being born in a stable does not make one a horse".

Hoqwever, my own camp Commandannt at Sandhurst was an Ierish Catholic cavalry general. It is not the nationality that matters, but the army.
Thus if we had a Sikh general I would be happy to serve, but not under the auspices of the EU.

On teh more substantial part. WWhat the gibbering heck is anybody douing writing, let alone ratifying a treaty when nobody knows how the powers will be used. That is a blank chjeque with the people's liberties and is damn nigh close to treason.

As Jefferson put it in the American Declaration of Independence,
"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive to these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness".

Quite so, and I believe that we are nearing that point.