"If the Government turns the Upper House into an elected Chamber, you would get the sort of oik - and for Hansard's benefit, oik is spelt O I K - that could not get into the Commons, Europe, the Scottish Parliament or the Welsh Assembly and probably not into a half-decent county council. That is the sort of oik you would have here. That is barmy"
You have got to love Lord Gilbert declaring that he wouldn't be standing in a prospective election for the Upper House.
The thing is the former Labour Minister does have a point.