tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10701792.post8620462599663823662..comments2023-12-02T00:59:10.380+01:00Comments on England Expects: The people really are stupidGawain Towlerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08583658895528269901noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10701792.post-18826302559238631592008-01-03T23:21:00.000+01:002008-01-03T23:21:00.000+01:00Even that is not the full story, because the true ...Even that is not the full story, because the true comparison should be between the Constitution, and the Lisbon Treaty PLUS the present Treaties, minus whatever is squeezed out during "consolidation". <BR/><BR/>For example the "amending treaty" agreed at Nice ran to 87 pages, but when those amendments were applied to the previously existing treaties the result was the present consolidated versions of the two treaties, which together run to 331 pages.<BR/><BR/>In August Open Europe published a consolidated version of the Reform Treaty, and at that time it was almost exactly the same length as the Constitution. Now it seems that it would be longer. <BR/><BR/>http://www.openeurope.org.uk/media-centre/pressrelease.aspx?pressreleaseid=53<BR/><BR/>"The official version of the treaty is almost unreadable as it takes the form of a series of amendments to the existing treaties, without reproducing the existing text which they will alter. In other words, the new version contains only the “active ingredients” – the changes which were proposed by the original Constitution. This is intended to make it unreadable. <BR/><BR/>Open Europe is now publishing a consolidated text which shows how it would change the treaties. We also reproduce the text of the original version of the original Constitution alongside this. As you can see, the new treaty alters the existing treaties to bring them into line with the rejected European Constitution. <BR/><BR/>Some opponents of a referendum have argued that the “new” treaty is shorter than the old Constitution and so therefore cannot be substantively the same thing. This is a dishonest argument. <BR/><BR/>Once it is turned back into a consolidated text it becomes obvious that the “new” treaty essentially edits the existing treaties in such a way as to make them almost identical to the rejected Constitution. In fact the final product is the same length as the original version of the Constitution: <BR/><BR/>* The current treaties are approximately 54,000 words long <BR/><BR/>* The original EU Constitution was 63,000 words long <BR/><BR/>* The new version is also 63,000 words long."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10701792.post-85265400513964189022007-12-23T13:06:00.000+01:002007-12-23T13:06:00.000+01:00I read that Jo Leinen said that Brown, along with ...I read that Jo Leinen said that Brown, along with the Dutch, opposed the publishing of the consolidated text (as opposed to satisfying themselves with publishing the amendments). Can you confirm? And if yes, why isn't this a big, big scandal yet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10701792.post-14485497712262288542007-12-19T18:55:00.000+01:002007-12-19T18:55:00.000+01:00ha ha haha ha haAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com